DALE FARM CALL OUT

1. COME TO DALE FARM: The dates of the eviction have now been revealed: bailiffs and police will start ‘securing’ the site from 12th Sept, and will start taking out caravans/bull dozing homes on 19th September. We URGENTLY need people to come down to Dale Farm. The eviction is likely to be protracted (90 families will be evicted plot by plot from 50+ plots). It will take a mass flow of supporters over this entire period (from the demo on 10th Sept until the end of September) to stop the destruction of this community.

On 19th September Basildon Council and the coalition government who are financing this will face a moral challenge to explain to thousands of people and the world’s assembled media why they are choosing to make over 100 children homeless and remove them from their schools. The eviction has been condemned by a broad coalition of groups, including Amnesty International, trade-unionists, and anti-racism groups.

The 19th will be a critical day for the residents, but if you can get there sooner your presence will be a massive boost for residents and supporters who have already joined Camp Constant. If you are coming to the demo on 10th Sept, bring a sleeping bag and a toothbrush and stay for as long as you can. Our ability to stop this ethnic cleansing is now almost entirely down to numbers- so come on down! For more information and to sign up to the sms eviction notification, see here.

2. DEMO: Join us at Wickford Station at 1pm, Saturday 10th Sept, to march to Dale Farm. Residents and supporters will march together, in peace, at 1pm. Poster here. Call out here. Bring banners. You can get a train to Wickford from Liverpool Street (just 35 mins), or contact: savedalefarm@gmail.com or check the website for details of coaches leaving from other locations.

3. PETITION: The UN has called on the government to suspend the “immature and unwise” eviction, saying it would “disproportionately affect the lives of the Gypsy and Traveller families, particularly women, children and older people”. There is a petition to sign here – please do sign it.

4. DONATE: We very much need to keep funds flowing in – large numbers of supporters on site need to be fed, legal observers need training and equipment, site phones need credit, banners need making, posters need printing, and so on. If you can, please help. See here.

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154 Responses to DALE FARM CALL OUT

  1. veganpanda says:

    Reprieve at Dale Farm…. yayyyyyyy!!

    To all the ignoramuses here, you might actually learn something if you read this
    http://thesocialistway.blogspot.com/2011/09/reprieve-at-dale-farm.html?spref=tw

  2. Boadicea Iceni says:

    Calling Vanessa Redgrave, Sally Bercow and all bleeding heart liberal lefties everywhere. Stop your tofu munching and yoghurt knitting right now.. YOUR HELP IS NEEDED. Are you ready to give up your front garden, or a few acres of land adjacent to YOUR homes.. Several Caravan Utilising Nomadic Travellers will be needing somewhere to stay after 19th September. ARE YOU WILLING TO HELP? This is a SERIOUS MESSAGE, NOT A JOKE. You surely must be willing to help these people.. you’re doing so much shouting about it. And what about you Lord Avebury,.. and you, the Bishop of Brentwood… All of you who are doing the shouting, let’s see you assist these people with accommodation. You must surely be willing to give up part of your garden or nearby field…. ????? Welll??????

  3. b says:

    Some travellers at the site are millionaires; others are paupers. Who owns the land at Dale Farm? I’m sure it isn’t the paupers. Do the millionaires want the paupers out so they can sell the land to someone? Maybe Tesco? Sure, the council’s being egged on by the government, but one thing’s for sure: the rich will be looking to make some money out of this.

    This is the kind of thing that gets ignored, with all the discourse about “the travelling community”. Sure, they stick together, but partly because the paupers are afraid of the big bosses. Cf. Jews in the ghettos of Poland 150 years ago.

    • Boadicea Iceni says:

      “http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/central-leeds/travelling_fraudsters_preyed_on_vulnerable_1_3785659″

      Oh dear, not more bad news! You really aren’t learning anything are you?

      • Boadicea Iceni says:

        “http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038550/Bedfordshire-slaves-Couple-tell-homeless-son-fell-prey-criminal-traveller-gang.html”

        How about THIS man’s “human rights”…. funny I don’t see you fighting for him…

  4. Ivan Burrows says:

    The argument has now been shot up the arse as it turns out that these people own hoomes in Ireland and some are millionairs. See the report and you will find they are actualy building a complete housing estate in their native land.
    The Irish Government foisted this lot on us and now they can have them back…This is nothing more than a giant pisstake and many do gooders have fallen for it. Well done ! You have shit on your own people while trying to stop the eviction of law breakers, benefit cheats and millionares who have lands and houses back in the Emerald Isle.

  5. Julie Brown says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037069/Dale-Farm-eviction-Travellers-building-housing-estate-Ireland.html?fb_ref=LikeButtonTop&fb_source=home_multiline any of you Leftie do-gooders like to comment on this then ???? can someone go and ask the scum at Dale Farm what this is all about then ???? Just shows the scum have been LYING to all and sundry who will stand still long enough to listen to their pathetic sob story. YOU ALL IDIOTS for believing them !

    • Boadicea Iceni says:

      …or are you going to throw your usual comments and “racist” slurs at those of us who know – and are telling – the truth? You are thick, gullible loonies with fewer brain cells than an amoeba. You should be thanking us for doing your research for you but in my case I don’t have to because I actually LIVED through this. Oh and while you’re on your bleeding hearts tack…. “http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/84442,news-comment,news-politics,travellers-slave-network-was-family-business” ….. try this for size. I suppose all these reports are written by liars and racists huh? YOU NEED TO SHUT YOUR BLATHERING AND START DOING SOME OF YOUR OWN RESEARCH. Oh and you ought to be taking your own advice… you should be pitching your efforts into looking after their slaves. Or don’t their “human rights” count? That’s right, of course not, NOBODY has any rights do they according to you, unless they are “travellers”. How can I simply this to a bunch of people who don’t have one live brain cell between them. THEY DON’T TRAVEL!.. Hellooooo hoooooh.. are you hearing me there in Cloud Cuckoo land. Like I said, shut up, jog on and go and do something useful… don’t you have a few trees to hug or some yoghurt to knit? Idiots!

  6. Boboak says:

    “travelers where gassed by the nazis”

    “it’s the Freemasons conspiracy in the council”

    These are two very interesting comments made in this thread. Interesting fact is romany gypsies where gassed, not irish travelers. Hitler did though gas Freemasons.

  7. Oh and let me dispel another myth for you loons.. you bang on about their children’s schooling. FACT. I was a governor at that school when both village and “traveller” children attended. FACT. The classroom sizes wildly fluctuated on a daily basis depending on who bothered to bring their child to school, sometimes 10 kids, sometimes 5 sometimes 20.. this disrupted the other children’s education and caused confusion as they could not understand why THEY had to attend and the others didn’t. FACT. There could be whole weeks where barely anyone attended school. FACT. They used the school to dump small preschoolers as a free babysitting service. FACT. They parked their cars, vans and trucks dangerously outside the school so as to endanger lives of themselves and others. FACT. Village parents took their children out of the school because of the disruption to their education NOT racism. FACT. Millions was spent on that school in a way that made the traveller children privileged at other children’s expense. FACT. They brought their children back to school after the six week summer holiday in OCTOBER, and even then only bothered to turn up as and when. FACT. They take their children out of school at age 11 when they are just beginning the vital GCSE curriculum this destroying their chances of ever getting a decent job. And they call this “cultural”! FACT. Crays Hill Primary now has the worst truancy rates in the country. FACT. When they do attend school , local taxpayers are stumping up for a school bus that seats 20 but that often only has two children on board (yet their site is less than the legal three mile limit from the school that parents can claim travel allowance). FACT. £12,000 of taxpayers’ money was spent on an “education centre” on the site, filled with computers and other gadgetry, This has since been trashed. ALL OF THE ABOVE ARE DOCUMENTED IF YOU BOTHER TO DO YOUR RESEARCH – WHICH WE ALL KNOW YOU DON’T. I SAW AND HEARD ALL OF THIS WITH MY OWN EYES AND EARS.

    DO NOT confuse FACTS with “racism”. Since when has telling the truth and presenting FACTS been “racist”? So before you start, your argument has fallen flat on its face.

  8. For the benefit of you thickies who either cannot read, or are incapable of digesting information.. I am reposting this. READ THE FACTS. You are busy chucking words like “racism” and “hate” around on this forum so I suggest you smoke one of your Moroccan woodbines, sit down and READ THIS INFORMATION. IT IS FACT. Do you understand the meaning of the word “FACT”? If not, I suggest you look it up in the dictionary. FACT is not the same as “RACISM”.. Some facts of life are unpalatable, like having to work damn hard for what you’ve got and being entitled to a peaceful life. Like accepting that “RIGHTS” come with RESPONSIBILITIES and that you cannot have everything you want in this world… especially when it’s at someone else’s expense and suffering.FACT. We ALL have human rights, they are not reserved for a favoured few.#

    Now READ and do not ARGUE until you have READ and DIGESTED this information. Spewing forth your usual crap about “racism” will cut no ice. You are a minority of deranged idiots, so start taking notice of people who know more than you, learn something, ACCEPT that sometimes in life, just sometimes, YOU MIGHT JUST BE WRONG.

    “Vanessa Redgrave
    Vanessa Redgrave and the grey cardigan of concern made an appearance in Essex this week. No doubt she feels strongly about the site clearance of land owned by Irish travellers at Dale Farm, and I applaud anyone who shows the courage of their convictions, but she’s not being entirely honest with us and has, as a consequence, annoyed me sufficiently to blog about it. Ms Redgrave insists that the travellers have not broken any law. She is wrong, and if this is the limit of her understanding of law she would be very well advised to stick to acting, because this is the real world and to transpose her distorted view onto it would set a very dangerous precedent.
    The argument about Dale Farm has been rumbling on for a decade and is now so shrouded in melodramatic hogwash and human rights mumbo-jumbo that we need to get back to the core of the issue – planning law. Shorn of all the emotive issues being thrust into the headlines, let’s take a look at what has actually happened.
    The site at Dale Farm has had a lawful traveller community on it, established with planning permission, for more than twenty years. In 2001 Irish travellers bought a further section of land and moved on to it. They began erecting permanent structures. When the local planning authority, Basildon Borough Council, became aware of the development of the land it served enforcement notices. This was ten years ago. The travellers brought legal action in an attempt to have these repealed, but this failed. In 2003 the First Secretary of State dismissed the appeals, but gave the travellers a period of two years in which to comply with the notices. In 2005, and since the notices had not been complied with, the Council decided that direct action was warranted. This decision was originally found by the High Court to have been unlawful, but this was overturned by the Court of Appeal. The travellers sought the permission of the Court to appeal to the House of Lords, but this was refused in June 2009.
    A primary function of planning law is the protection of the wider community from the excesses of the individual.The right to own property is expressed in Article 17 of the Universal Declaration of HumanRights. Article 1 of Protocol 1 of the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms enshrines the right to peaceful enjoyment of one’s possessions. The much cited Article 8 of that Convention states that “Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.”
    In exercise of UK planning law any local authority is required to be compliant with this. However, Article 8 is qualified as follows: “There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.” This boils down to a local authority and the Courts having to take a broad view of any development and consider the rights of allresidents.
    There is a misconception held by some that if you own land you have the right to do with it what you will. Fine, we own our own house, we’ll build a four storey extension out the back and open a pig farm in the front garden. Wrong, on two counts. First is that we don’t have the money to do it and second because we would never get planning permission. Even if we did go ahead and do it the Council would either make us pull it all down or do it themselves and send us the bill. A primary function of planning law is the protection of the wider community from the excesses of the individual.
    unless there are “very special circumstances”Nowh
    ere in the UK is planning law more assiduously applied (and scrutinised) than in developments affecting the Green Belt. Within the Green Belt permission to carry out development is severely restricted and planning consent is only granted in a limited number of circumstances. These include:-
    certain agricultural and forestry related building and uses.
    outdoor sporting uses and essential ancillary facilities.
    minor works to existing residential properties.
    works of national interest or importance.
    In the main the majority of proposals for development will only be granted planning permission if they can justify that there are “very special circumstances” why permission should be granted.
    Clearly, the development at Dale Farm cannot meet any of the four criteria, but arguments were put forward that they should qualify under “very special circumstances”. These were considered in the proper manner by the Council and, more importantly, the competent Courts, and have all been dismissed.
    they must be regarded as the authors of their own misfortune and we should not feel sorry for themThe crucial point to note is that the land in question has not suddenly been designated as Green Belt. It has been so since 1982. It may very well have been a scrap yard, but this, too, was established without planning permission and a planning Inspector had long ago ruled that it could not be used for that purpose again. The travellers admit that they bought the land at a very reasonable price. There’s a very good reason for this, i.e. that there are severe restrictions on what you can do with it. One phone call to the Council planning office was all it would have taken to find this out, unless, of course, they already knew. In this respect, therefore, they must be regarded as the authors of their own misfortune and we should not feel sorry for them.
    Now, Vanessa, I hope you’re paying attention because this is the bit that shows that you were either ill-informed or, worse, deliberately telling porky-pies. At paragraph 7 of Basildon District Council v McCarthy & Ors EWCA Civ 13 (22 January 2009) it says:
    “For the claimants, Mr Luba QC accepts that the claimants have reached the end of the road in their attempts to regularise their position by obtaining planning permission or temporary planning permission. That has been considered on a plot by plot basis. The extreme difficulty involved in obtaining planning permission for caravan and trailer sites in the Green Belt is acknowledged. Mr Luba accepts that the claimants are on the land unlawfully and that, even if the appeal is dismissed, they will still be on land unlawfully. He accepts that the most recent planning decisions of the Secretary of State reflect the planning situation. He accepts that the council could lawfully evict each and every one of the claimants provided they lawfully and appropriately direct themselves.”
    They have had a decade in which to rectify the situation. They have had some eighteen months since the dismissal of their last serious legal challenge. (I discount the attempt this week to gain a High Court injunction. That was mere legal frippery.) The travellers themselves admit that they are breaking the law and we should not feel sorry for them on that score either.

    Grattan Puxon
    There has already been a great deal of emotive coverage of the plight of the travellers, and I suspect that this is just the first few drops of the deluge to come. Much of it is highly misleading. Their champion, Grattan Puxon, is rather good at grandstanding and a master of dissembling propaganda, even though his grasp of human rights law can be a bit shaky.
    Pardon me while we dispel a few myths.
    Firstly, this is not and never has been an eviction. It’s a site clearance. There’s a big difference. Eviction is defined as “action by a landlord that compels a tenant to leave the premises”. The travellers own the site, but, as discussed above, this does not give them the right to use it as they wish, to park caravans, to build, to cover it with concrete or tarmac or even to live there.
    All the language so far used has been in terms of this having been done to the travellers, but this is far from the truth. Nobody forced them to buy Green Belt land, nobody forced them to flout planning law by moving onto it and erecting permanent structures. They did so by choice and any good lawyer could have explained the risks. And if you take that risk you really shouldn’t bleat about it when the chickens come home to roost.
    One activist who has jumped on the bandwagon is reported as saying: “There is no way we are leaving them here to be attacked by the thugs who pass themselves off as bailiffs. Yes, we are preparing for battle and want here to be our fortress – What other option have these people been left with?” Well, they can leave peacefully. They have, after all, known for ten years that they shouldn’t be there. Police will be there to maintain order and if the bailiffs are allowed to do the job they are lawfully entitled to do there will be no need for any disorder. It is the travellers and their supporters who are talking the language of violence.
    Just because you want to think the world’s against you doesn’t necessarily make it true.A great deal has been made of the fact that 80 to 90% of planning applications made by travellers are rejected as opposed to only 20% of those made by the settled population. It is claimed that this is “racist” against the travellers. I have neither the time nor the energy to challenge the percentages, but I would definitely challenge the conclusion. If it were the case then the decisions would have been unlawful and could easily have been overturned by the Courts. (Sir Andrew Collins in his judgement FOR the travellers found that there was no direct discrimination (Para 47, EWHC 987 (Admin)).
    There are other possible explanations. It could be that the settled population may be more inclined to take legal advice or consult the local planning office before submitting an application. It could be that applications for development by the settled population are not on the same scale as Dale Farm. It could just as easily be that a high proportion of applications by travellers are destined to fail, like Dale Farm, because the use of the land is restricted. It could be all three, but when you’re waging a propaganda war it’s far easier to jump on the figures and claim prejudice. Clearly, applications from travellers DO succeed as is evidenced by the fact that part of Dale Farm is occupied lawfully. Just because you want to think the world’s against you doesn’t necessarily make it true.

    Access road to Dale Farm
    There can be no doubt that there is often opposition from the settled population to having travellers in their community. Some travellers can be very aggressive and intimidating. Some leave loads of rubbish behind them. I speak from personal experience and, like it or not, it’s a fact. (Some of the settled population display these traits as well, but police and local Councils seem more inclined to pursue enforcement action against those with a fixed address – a form of discrimination in itself!) The unlawfully resident travellers at Dale Farm would like you to believe that they are none of these things and that they have improved the site.

    Fly tipping
    They maintain that it’s not a tip. I beg to differ and the pictures speak for themselves. They are of the access road to the unlawful section of Dale Farm, but a pound to a pinch of **** says they didn’t bring Vanessa or the Bishops in that way.
    When the settled population see scenes like this it is easier to understand a reluctance to suffer it in your own back yard. (By the way – I’m not making this up. Go to Google Earth or Google Maps for co-ordinates 51° 35’ 44.86” N 0° 28’ 26.68” E and look at street view.)
    Then there is the tactic of making false comparisons. Candy Sheridan, who has been campaigning for Dale Farm since 2005, told me. “We hate the tiny threads of hope and the endless battles. All we want is an alternative site, but these people have nowhere to go. You wouldn’t see hundreds of people walking out of their housing estate with a few bin bags peacefully.” Well, no, you wouldn’t see it because the estate was built lawfully with planning permission. Has it never occurred to Candy, in the six years that she has been watching the campaign fail, that it might be a good idea to line up an alternative? Certainly, Grattan Puxon and Vanessa seem to think that there are, but they also insist that it’s the Council’s responsibility to provide them. Indeed, my understanding is that Basidlon Council has made numerous offers of alternatives to the travellers, but all have been rejected because they don’t match exactly what they’re demanding. Well, life’s tough and you don’t always get what you want!
    There’s always God. (I’m afraid that this one REALLY gets up my nose.) The travellers always want to present themselves as good God fearing folk. It’s a shame for them that their actions speak louder than their words. Has the local priest never pointed them to Romans 13:1-7. “Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.”
    In a famous passage about taxes, Jesus said, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” (Mark 12:13-17; the same passage appears, slightly modified, in Matthew 22:15-22 and Luke 20:20-26). This is interpreted by most people to mean that in secular matters follow the law of the land, but for spiritual matters follow the law of God. Nuff said about that.
    the Council admit that if the travellers are moved they are unlikely to leave the borough let alone the countyMore sinister is the claim that the clearance of Dale Farm is “ethnic cleansing”. The official United Nations definition of ethnic cleansing is “rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group.” This is Essex, for crap’s sake – there’s nothing homogenous up there. In any case, the Council admit that if the travellers are moved they are unlikely to leave the borough let alone the county. It’s a ridiculous argument from start to finish. But it is part of the propaganda war that will see mothers, who have for years colluded in the unlawful occupation, pleading for the education and future of their children while putting those same children in the centre of the site clearance. (If you don’t believe me got to Youtube and search for Gypsy eviction. You will find numerous examples of kids being involved and it will not have been the bailiffs who put them in harm’s way).
    And finally there’s the claim that the travellers are law-abiding. Pearl McCarthy, who lives at Dale Farm, has said “We’ll do everything by the law. We won’t do anything to break the law until they force us to break it.” (See video six minutes in.)

    Well, first off, the claim is spurious. If they were law abiding they wouldn’t have built in the first place. Nobody will force you to break any more laws, Pearl. That will be your choice. But it’s a rather curious logic, isn’t it? Use the law when it’s to your advantage, but discard it when it provides a decision that you don’t like? It seems the travellers want the rights of every citizen to the protection of law without exercising the concomitant responsibility to obey it.
    And this leads me to my final and most important point – if law be not enforced then it be no law at all.
    the law must be enforced and the site must be clearedIn Fred Zinnemann’s stunning 1966 film A Man for All Seasons Vanessa’s brother Corin played William Roper, a young lawyer. He has the following exchange with Thomas More:
    “William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
    Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
    William Roper: Yes, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!
    Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?”
    Yes, I’ve quoted that before, and with good cause, because law is what makes society work. In fact, in one form or another, it’s the only thing that does. Remove the law, or fail to enforce it, and you can kiss goodbye to everything that you hold dear.
    For that reason alone the law must be enforced and the site must be cleared.”

    Original posting on the Basildon Recorder website.

    • Ivan Burrows says:

      Well said that woman!

      • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

        Totally agree. The time has come for a final reckoning with this scum – there are English non-Romany travellers as well – and their bedfellows, the Chavs. We will NOT allow our country to be held to ransom by these parasites and their idiotic supporters. Furthermore, we are SICK TO DEATH of the glorification of this scum by the mass media. I give you some examples: Katie Price, Cheryl Cole, Paddy Doherty, Tulisa and her N-Dubz chavs.

        Well, my friends, that final reckoning is near. It is up to every decent, law-abiding, moral citizen to rid this pestilence and filth from our land and reclaim this country.

    • The real Buddicca says:

      Work will soon begin ,next to Greater Leys,in Oxford, to enlarge by thousands of homes what is already the largest housing estate in western Europe,on green belt land!.Buddicca would turn in her grave knowing you used her name

      • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

        Ah yes. But I bet it was done by the local council who DO have Planning Permission. Not done unilaterally by a bunch of itinerant so-called “travellers”.

        You seem to have missed the point there somewhat.

        Incidentally, I think Queen Boadicea would have been quite proud of Boadicea Iceni’s stance on this. Whereas you have come on with your leftie wailings…

    • hogsowar says:

      This is the best argument I have read which explains completely how the Laws of this land have been flouted by a bunch of ignorant bog trotters and their Leftie sycophants.. Well done Boadicea…

  9. Yes, we know “Paddy”… I have been circulating this for years… anyway you Great Unwashed, have a read of this article and let’s hear your opinion on it? Or perhaps you prefer not to read these articles because you are afraid of the truth. But you’re into “human rights” aren’t you…? Or perhaps you believe only “travellers” have “human rights” and nobody else does. Sorry but I am going to keep ramming this slaves story down your throats till you choke on it. You WILL hear both sides of the story whether you like it or not. To ignore THIS issue is to debunk the whole of your own theory on “human rights” and make the lot of you what we all know you all to be… a bunch of troublemaking scruffs hell bent on making a name for yourselves. Now read this, digest and then let’s hear your justification for these slaves.. also this commentary highlights other “human rights” issues… like honour killings and female genital mutilation.. not traveller issues but “human rights” issues nevertheless.. and these have all got one thing in common, “culture”.. You reckon “travellers” have a “culture” too… so does this justify breaking the law. We can all claim to have a “culture” in order to avoid abiding by the law everyone else has to observe. NOW READ THIS AND TELL US THESE PEOPLE ARE JUSTIFIED IN KEEPING SLAVES.. Go on.. let’s hear you on “human rights” for all, if you can bring yourselves to do it. “http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100104361/traveller-slaves-vanessa-redgrave-can-surely-explain/#

    • “Firstly, this is not and never has been an eviction. It’s a site clearance. There’s a big difference. Eviction is defined as “action by a landlord that compels a tenant to leave the premises”. The travellers own the site, but, as discussed above, this does not give them the right to use it as they wish, to park caravans, to build, to cover it with concrete or tarmac or even to live there.”

  10. Oh dear, Althea Rose once again shows her typical leftie arrogance… and as for presumptiousness, don’t you DARE presume that you contribute more than me. You obviously have too much time on your hands to get involved in all this and contribute less to society than I do.

    I spend my days caring for elderly people with dementia; hard work both physically and mentally. Something I am going to ASSUME you are not familiar with since you seek to assume about my life.

    You are just an idle layabout with too much time on your hands who is losing this argument and have now resorted to silly and ineffectual comments.

    We have arguments to put forward based on FACT, whereas you are just a leftie yoghurt knitter who hasn’t even taken an interest in these people until recently, when you decided to pitch in to get yourself a little publicity.

    I have not even begun to document my experiences here and do not need to justify myself.

    BUT YOU DO… JUSTIFY THIS.. THE STORY I POSTED ABOUT THE SLAVES. THIS DID HAPPEN AT CRAYS HILL, LOOK AT TOMORROW’S ECHO. THE POLICE DID NOTHING. IT HAPPENED WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. AND THE QUESTION IS what are YOU going to do about the “human rights” of these poor people… or does your self appointed moral guardianship only extend to caravan utilising nomadic travellers?

    • The real Buddicca says:

      How convenient to find slaves the day before eviction,maybe these people were offered passports to let themselves be”found” why did they walk away without bringing an action against the slave masters”?

  11. hogsowar says:

    I rest my case.”http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100104361/traveller-slaves-vanessa-redgrave-can-surely-explain/”

  12. hogsowar says:

    The Rule of Law seems to be flouted by all and sundry these days… Just because a certain “Group” of people see fit to ignore our Laws should we ALL decide to descend into Lawlessness? Dear God isn’t the Country in enough Shit. NO.. Laws are there for ALL.. They broke the Law..End of.

  13. elaine bird says:

    IL:EEEEEEEEEEEEEGAL ! End of. Conttribute to this society, pay taxes, and abide by the law and then people will start taking you seriously. We English are fed up with being victimised and the ne,r do wells being put before us law abiding citizens. Stupid lentil eating lefties with a cause addiction make me sick! what is it the rest of the country can see that you cant or are you all dole wallers too busy to work cos your out defending the rights of minorities.Who told you that you were fit to guide everyone.You are hung up with your own selfrighteousness. Wake up and join the real world. idiots !

  14. Ivan Burrows says:

    Just why exactly is this debate going on ? Look at the reason for the eviction….No planning permission. This law applies to all of us. If I built a garage with out planning consent I would have to take it down even though the land is mine. This applies all over the UK. It matters not one wit about travellers or anyone else. If we don’t have p[lanning consent then it is a none goer. Please don’t start screaming racism or persecution. The people concerned have broken the law and as such have to be evicted. I care not one iota about the racism claim, that is false and only being used because there is no other method of supporting these law breakers. We have to ask ourselves why the Irish government paid them to leave ? They would not have done that without good reason would they. Now come on boys and girls, we much more important stuff to get on woth than trying to support law breakers.

  15. Julie Brown says:

    So since we have alot of Gypsey sympathisers in here may i ask you opinion of Greenacre travellers’ site, Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire,whare they ahve been found to be keeping SLAVES http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-14871318 such pillers of the community I THINK NOT ! Travellers, gypsies whatever you want to call yourselves at Dale Farm you are a blight on Humanity andh ave been causing misery for years take a hint GET OUT AND STAY OUT you are not welcome, you all put the proper Romany to shame.

    • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

      Julie,

      Get on this Althea Rose and give her some hammer!

    • oh dear… no answer I see… that’s because they’ve lost the argument before they start. This bunch of Great Unwashed CANNOT enter into a reasoned debate because their argument is one-sided. THEY ARE REFUSING TO ACCEPT THAT OTHERS HAVE “HUMAN RIGHTS” TOO. WE ALL HAVE HUMAN RIGHTS YET THESE PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK ONLY “TRAVELLERS” DO. They just don’t get it do they?

  16. If somebody is camped illegally the government has the right to evict them.
    As for ethnic cleansing… Are you kidding????????????????????????????????????
    Has anybody proposed killing them?

    • Ivan Burrows says:

      You are right there and for anyone to compare this sites clearence with ethnic cleansing is an insult to those of us who know the real hoorors of such actions. I am not going to put too fine a point on it but I do have a number on my arm. This situation is not Ethnic cleansing and anyone who says it is should hang their heads in shame

  17. Mr Sampson says:

    I would love to come and help on the 19th……

    CAN I BRING MY OWN BULLDOZER !!!!

    I genuinely hope the bailiffs give you a right good arse kicking too.

  18. Althea Rose says:

    Travellers and settled communities do not mix, the societies are intrinsically different, but the support seen at Dale Farm and indeed Paddy Doherty winning CBB, are the very first signs that there is a thaw in the attitude of one to another.

    No-one reading the 3700 words of Boadicea Iceni on the wrongs of Dale Farm, will see it as anything other than the opinion of a very discontented member of the settled community. That that particular post ends up branding everyone who supports the travellers as benefit scroungers, belies the true ‘nature’ of that contributor.

    Some of the settled community of Crays Hill want the problems that having Dale Farm on the doorstep represents, removed from their lives. They do not care how it is achieved, i.e. they are not concerned with the Dale Farm community, nor neighbouring settled communities, which will now see a fractured, disgruntled traveller community seeking a new place to settle in their areas.
    ‘Our Laws’. This is the crux of the matter. For many hundreds of years the settled community has lived by the laws of our society. We give up a lot of our own personal liberty in order to live under the protection of these laws – which is exactly why an individual cannot erect a four storey extension in his or her back yard!

    Having given up our own entitlements to do what we please, when we see someone else doing what they please, there is a childlike reaction, i.e. it’s not fair!! That’s human nature, the travellers and their supporters must realise this.

    However, laws are created to protect society and Dale Farm being the largest traveller community in Europe is a society in itself. At some stage the protection of that society will need to be taken into account, if our laws are to be held effective. Whether that time has come, I do not know, but what we are seeing is a consciousness within the settled community that the society that is Dale Farm is entitled to protection.

    The reactions of the settled community in Crays Hill, mindful of their own personal interests, while understandable, is becoming unacceptable in wider society. Dale Farm is a problem, the only reaction should be to find a solution. This is clearly not on their agenda and this is being recognised.

    As for everyone else whether making emotive statements, quoting facts that they have not investigated, or simply spewing hate, you haven’t got the solution either; you are merely contributing to the problem.

    • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

      What a load of utter rubbish. Dear, oh dear…

      This shower have broken the law of this country and flouted it for the last ten years. And you think they are entitled to protection???

      Have you actually spoken to anyone who lives at Crays Hill? Have you? Have you seen with your own eyes the disruption and mess these travellers have caused. Because, my dear, Boadicea Iceni HAS. Nothing like first-hand experience is there?

      The support these people have is nothing more than a bunch of misguided hippies. When it kicks off, and knowing the Travellers it will, who’s going to be on the receiving end? And anyone who watches Big Brother has the IQ of a cabbage.

      There will never be a thaw in attitudes towards the so-called Travellers and their bedfellows the Chavs. We are SICK to death of the likes of you and the media of this country glorifying scum like this. For your information, had you bothered to read all of the posts on here, you will have noticed they DO have other places to go. Ireland, Spain, Wolverhampton – all places where they own property.

      I am not here to spew hate, my dear. I am pointing out that this lot have broken the law and flouted it and they must go. They have camped on Green Belt land – illegal. Never mind the fact they own it, they cannot set up home on it without proper permission.

      YOU haven’t got the solution. YOU are contributing to the problem.

    • Althea Rose, you have NOT A CLUE. I speak from experience of living alongside this so called community., I could go into more detail but the like of you are incapable of assimilating a few simple facts. You automatically deride anyone who objects as a racist or “hater”.

      YOU are the people EXACERBATING the problem. This has nothing to do with leftie liberal soapdodgers like yourself and EVERYTHING to do with those on the receiving end of this and who have been paying for it for years. £18m is nothing compared with the loss to this community over ten years.. in unpaid council tax, use of our public services, increased crime rate and so on.

      It’s easy for you to sit there calling others and assuming they are racist bigots but LESS easy for you to do some PROPER research so that you may have a balanced and unbiased and more importantly, unblinkered view of this situation.

      YOU are the racist bigot, you and your motley crew of assorted workshy benefit scroungers and social worker types. You are guilty of outrageous bigotry and discrimination against the settled community: people who work hard for what they get and pay their way.

      Two things; 1. If you love these people so much YOU find a piece of land next door to your own home and house them on it and 2. do yourself a favour and recognise that with “RIGHTS” come RESPONSIBILITIES. If you choose a certain lifestyle then you fund it yourself, totally. You work for it and live within the law. You take responsibility for your own actions and their impact on your fellow man.

      These people clearly think the world owes them a living and if they WERE true gypsies, they or “travellers” they would be travelling, not relying on any local community to stump up for them.

      And one more thing – their attitude to schooling… they get their children registered for the local school purely as a means of trying to stay within a certain district so they can milk it dry.

      Millions have been spent on that school in specialist “care” for them but rarely do their children attend school on a regular basis. I know, I was a governor there and saw them use it as a babysitting service, with no regard for the village children’s education which was disrupted by their constant altering of the class sizes on a daily basis.

      And then they take their kids out age age 11 BEFORE they reach the vital stage of GCSEs and a chance to really make their mark in life and become a decent, law abiding working member of the community.

      Don’t give me the old bullshit that it’s on “cultural” grounds. They have ho culture, except one of ponsing off the local community. They want it all their own terms, no real attempts to negotiate with the locals and believe me I tried.

      So shut your spouting and listen to once to somebody who knows better than you do. I have been there, lived and breathed it, seen and heard it.

      You on the other hand are a know all that knows nothing.

      • Althea Rose says:

        I just knew that you would fall into this trap, I own my own business, employ many decent law abiding people who pay their taxes and NI.

        Try not to show YOUR ignorance by jumping to conclusions in future.

      • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

        YOU are the one who’s ignorant, Althea Rose. Not us.

        YOU are the one jumping to conclusions. Not us.

        Come back and talk to us when you know what you’re talking about. And don’t EVER lecture either of us on this subject as we know far more about it than you. OK?

      • hogsowar says:

        Spot on Boadicea.

    • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

      What trap was this, my dear?

      Seeing as you’re such a smartarse, could you please explain what trap both Boadicea and I have fallen into, O (un)wise one…?

      • Althea Rose says:

        Trap?? Well, that would be asuming that anyone who dared contradict the two of you pompous idiots must all be benefit scroungers.

        I am very sure that I contribute far more to this country than either of you, so just as you look down from a height on to the Travellers, so I do with you two.

        Furthermore, I have every right to contradict people who fail to see the irony of hijacking a forum which was set up for the support of Dale Farm for their own selfish ends.

        Tell you what.. spend a few quid and set up your own website and forum!

        Better still, go look after your own back yards and continue watching daytime TV, it’s all people of your mentality can cope with.

        Sorry I can’t comment further as I haven’t actually had the time or inclination to read your outpourings.

        I am wasting no more of my time on either of you, I’ve had my say.

      • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

        Althea Rose,

        Now listen to me, you little scumbag. Can you tell me exactly what you have contributed to society? Go on. Tell me. Because I’ll tell you. The first word begins with an “f” and rhymes with “duck” and the second is all. YOU are the sponger, not us.

        Now let me tell you what Boadicea and I have contributed. Boadicea is a former local Councillor; I am an ex-servicewoman – six years in the Army. I also run my own business and, as such, have no time for Daytime TV.

        You run your own business? Someone as thick and pompous as you runs their own business? I guarantee with your attitude it’ll be in liquidation before long!

        You learn some manners and some respect, you Pikey-loving scumbag.

      • Zoey says:

        You tell em Michelle!! You go girl!

    • Julie Brown says:

      I have never such rubbish in all my life, typical leftie claptrap, you lot cannot see the wood for your tree hugging ideals. The solution to the problem is simple EVICTION and the site cleared !

      • Hitlers spirit is alive and well in fascist UK. Never has venom been spouted from some of the most extreme right wing scum that view Cameron and his Eton tory toff thugs as the answer to the ills of the UK.
        The selfish self centered snobs who look down at everyone they think are lesser mortals and not worthy. The same mindset brought in the mass exterminations of people that did not fit the agenda of Hitlers New World Order. It is shameful England is the only country left voting for extreme right wing scum like the tories and noticeable the only part of the UK that saw riots was England. Scotland has all but eradicated the tory filth from their country.
        The vile inequality brings out the very worst in the bigots and utter morons that would bring back
        hanging for a minor infraction of the law. It is the Judicial mafia (that probably mix with the vile snobs on this forum) who are the biggest thieves and make all other crime pale with estates en masse being stolen in their masonic dens of iniquity. Thats what the mobsters are supporting , laws that only advance the corrupt who don’t lose their estates like those not part of their dodgy lodges.

      • THE MODERATOR OF THIS FORUM SHOULD IMMEDIATELY REMOVE THE VILE COMMENTS OF THOSE WHO WOULD NOT LOOK OUT OF PLACE AT A BNP OR EDL PROTEST OR A GESTAPO CONFERENCE. THEY SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN ANY PLATFORM ON A FORUM SUPPORTING DALE FARM EVICTIONS.
        THEIR VILE HATRED OF ANYONE NOT PART OF THEIR SNOBBISH VULGAR FILTHY WORLD SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SMEAR THOSE PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR THE FASCISTS STEALING LAND AND PROPERTY FOR THEIR OWN ENRICHMENT .
        ARE SOME OF THEM GOING TO BE SHARING THE SPOILS IN THEIR LODGES AFTER THE EVICTION? MONEY SEEMS TO BE AT THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL .

      • veganpanda says:

        @International Mens Organisation I totally agree with you, it seems there is NO moderation on here AT ALL!!! Many websites/forums posts are moderated BEFORE they are actually posted but not on this one, I’ve never seen so much DISGUSTING bullying in my life & this is on a ‘Save Dale Farm’ website too!! The bullies on here are no more than evil TROLLS who get off on other’s misery, they like picking on anyone who’s different to them (I’m VERY happy that I’m different to them!).

        The vast amount of bullies on here were no doubt bullies at school too, fascism is a terrible thing, both Basildon Council & the bullies on here would’ve been REALLY at home in Nazi Germany shouting “Seig Heil”… shame on you!!

    • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

      Dear oh dear….

      We’re not getting through to the likes of this IMO, Veganpanda and Althea Rose, are we?

      For your information, none of us who oppose the Travellers being at Dale Farm and fully support their removal are Nazis, bullies, members of the EDL or the BNP. We are ordinary members of the public who are sick to death of this lot and their supporters glorifying in the breaking of the law.

      Which part of this cannot you lot get through you thick heads. THEY SHOULD NOT BE THERE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT HATE OR BULLYING OR ANY OTHER RUBBISH YOU CARE TO MENTION!

      And, as for you, IMO, I have had the displeasure of looking at your website. You accuse us of being fascists? Well, then. At least we’re not woman-haters, gay-haters, transgender-haters etc etc.

  19. matt hunter says:

    You bastard. The scum should have been taken off years ago.

  20. “http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-raid-travellers-site-to-free-men-kept-as-slaves-for-15-years-2353156.html”

    How about this then you yoghurt knitting leftie loons. What about the “human rights” in THIS story, And yes, this happened at Dale Farm too, a few years ago and was widely reported at the time. Once again you tree hugging soap dodgers SINGULARLY FAIL TO GET THE WHOLE STORY.

    Go back through the archives of local and national papers and you will see the whole sorry saga. There is far more than just this, which is the tip of the iceberg.

    You lot live in Cloud Cuckoo Land. You wouldn’t know the truth from a hole in the ground but hey, carry on your good work, you are drawing attention to this for all the wrong reasons and qualifying the arguments of the LAW ABIDING MAJORITY who see you lot as a bunch of unwashed leftie loons.

    If you want to fight for human rights, how about pensioners who fought for YOUR freedom to spout this drivel yet are made to live in freezing cold accommodation because they cannot afford to put their heating on… or the real victims of crime who often see the perpetrators’ human rights upheld whilst theirs are ignored. It happens more and more every day. The papers are full of stories about decent hard working people struggling to make ends meet whilst scruffs like you go around protecting the rights of the feckless, the workshy, the lawbreakers and the downright criminals.

  21. Susan says:

    Thinking of you all, be strong, you will win this, your community is an inspiration. All my love, a fellow traveller

    • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

      Thay are NOT an inspiration. They have broken the law of this land.

      Can I put that any simpler?

    • Ever tried living next door to these people? And if you are a true gypsy you will find they are nothing like you,. My friend is a Romany but a decent law abiding taxpaying member of the community who has put down roots and got herself a house,. She lives in Crays Hill and has been on the receiving end of their filth.

    • Zoey says:

      Have another drink you deluded fool Six more days, tick tock tick tock

    • when will you idiots understand… look up dictionary definition of “traveller” ie one who travels, THESE PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO TRAVEL. THEY WANT IT ALL THEIR OWN WAY.. BUILDING ON GREEN BELT WITHOUT PLANNING PERMISSION BUT ONLY THEY CAN DO THAT , NOBODY ELSE. MY CHILDREN WOULD LIKE THEIR OWN HOMES BUT THEY DON’T GO AROUND BUILDING ON GREEN BELT. WHAT IF WE ALL DID IT? You absolute MORON

  22. Andy mogan says:

    So these so called “travellers” want to stay but then said give us £6m and we will leave when the council turned them down they said we not leaving again haha hypocrites I’ll be there to lend my support my support on the 19th of sept to kick u out!!

    • veganpanda says:

      So you’re yet another who believe everything they read or hear, total bs that they were offered £6m to leave!!

      • Andy mogan says:

        Read my comment I said the “travellers” asked for £6m to leave and when the council turned them down they threw their toys out of their caravans again

      • veganpanda says:

        I apologise for that (I do own up when I’m wrong – unlike many others on here), but it’s bs that they asked for £6m…. in fact they asked for £3m so they can relocate! Considering it’ll cost Basildon Council at least £18m to evict them, I reckon that it’d be a complete bargain to pay the £3m myself.

      • Andy mogan says:

        But why should they be given any money they are travellers it’s what they do if the council buckled and give them the money then u can imagine the can of worms it will open not just from other travellers all walks of life will be demanding money.
        They are there illegally and should be moved and it’s not a eviction it’s a site clearance their caravans and homes are being stored until they find somewhere LEGAL to live!

      • veganpanda says:

        I wouldn’t mind but you just IGNORED my reply altogether just to get your point across! I shouldn’t be surprised really :/

      • Andy mogan says:

        How have I ignored your point?

      • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

        Well, Veganpanda…

        You support this? http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16067172

        Now, do you want me to own up to being in the right all along?

      • Andy mogan says:

        http://www.echo-news.co.uk/archive/1999/05/27/Essex Archive/5529152.Basildon__Homeless_man_held_as_slave/
        These are the scumbags people are rallying for!!!!!

      • you are a raving leftwing loon,. You have been there five minutes and you think you know it all. I was there SIX YEARS and saw and heard it with my own eyes and ears. They will show you the side of themselves they WANT you to see. But you’re too stupid and blinkered to understand. READ THE SENTENCE YOU WROTE ABOVE. YOU HAVE EVEN GOT THAT WRONG, They were not OFFERED six million to leave, they DEMANDED IT. And it is the same with the Irish government who PAID them to leave Ireland. For a bunch of students you are extremely bad at researching aren’t you? Get the facts before you embarrass yourselves even further. Read The Outsiders by Eamon Dillon. At least do SOME research before you spout this garbage. It’s laughable.

      • once again Veganpanda, YOU DO NOT READ PROPERLY .,..Andy clearly says that they ASKED for £6m (more like demanded it) not were OFFERED the money. Are you thick or what? We all know they demanded it because the IRISH GOVERNMENT ALSO PAID THEM TO LEAVE IRELAND.

        Get your facts right for god’s sake. Jeez these soap dodgers are so DENSE!

    • Andy mogan says:

      Well said boadicea don’t they go awefully quiet when they know they are WRONG I cannot wait until Monday I will be there.

  23. veganpanda says:

    Paddy (the traveller) won Celebrity Big Brother, so up yours to all the traveller haters, hahahahaha!!

    • Ellis Webb says:

      What can I say. I’m sure we’re all devestated to hear that a home dwelling traveller won one of the most annoying shows ever created having been pitted against a crowd of Z list “celebrities”.

    • high 4. says:

      big deal, paddy beat a ex drug addict, 2 idiots who cant sing or dance and have the combinde IQ of a potato and a man who takes photos. He certainly had tough compotition….

      • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

        Big deal.

        Shows how thick people in this country are that a scumbag like him won something like that.

    • Highwayman says:

      Does He live on an illegal site, on Green Belt land though?
      Irrelevant if he’s a traveller or not, people are missing the point, it is an illegal site and has been since before they moved on.
      Would anyone object if their next door neighbour built an extension on their house, intruding on your landscape, without planning permission?
      If the majority of you say no, then up goes my multi storey extension, knock it down, nah, dont think i will, whats good enough for Dale Farm is good enough for me.

    • Celebrity Big Brother? Dear oh dear… a programme made by idiots for idiots. I’ve never watched an episode in my life and never will. It’s TV for morons. Quite fitting then that you should be watching!

    • hogsowar says:

      That says a lot about the viewers of Big Brother!! I will gladly send you ferry times for the crossing from Holyhead to Dublin…

      • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

        One slight problem, Hogsowar. The Irish don’t want them either.

        Better idea. Let’s put them all on a rustbucket, along with their supporters such as Althea Rose and Veganpanda, and send it South Georgia or somewhere like that.

    • Ivan Burrows says:

      What a silly thing to say

  24. philo says:

    it all goes back to the ‘landed gentry’ of 1066 when the rich scum dispersed the land and wealth…and the commens..we travellers are takin back which is ours…this land is our land

    • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

      Oh yeah…?

      Is it hell your land!

    • rich scum? Aren’t you lot rolling in it? You seem to drive newly reg cars and sport desiger gear. So who are you calling rich scum. Look up the word “hypocrite” in the dictionary. Oh by the way, it’s a book that tells you what words mean – or of course you can get your leftwing loony friends to look it up for you since you can’t be bothered to educate yourself.

  25. hatesrascists says:

    I am almost too disgusted to reply to these posts, as they are filled with complete hatred. Speaking personally as some one who is and for all of my life have been a law abiding tax paying citizen of the uk, who is in fact derived from generations of travellers, (an ethnic origin in its own right), i feel it fair to point out that our “people” did in fact live fight and die in wars to make this country what it is just the same as every one else. They were also victimised and sent to the gas chambers and tortured as a form of ethnic cleaning by hitler. (hmm interesting) Our culture dictated that being that we are derived from people who were flung off our land because of such things as potato famine etc, and bigory like i have witnessed here today, you tell me a soloution to what you think should happen here? you think they should move some where else? to where? next door to you in a house? it seems to me, that your problem isnt the fact they are living over the wall etc, its merely that they exist. tavelling people pay taxes the same as every one else, and pay thier rent for where they live. They have earned their right to live where they see fit, just as you say your relatives have in the past to earn thier rights so too, have these people. Incidently i used to be a forces wife too, and i am derived from traveller stock.. I have contributed in every sense to both this country and its economy. What worries me, is that your type start with people like these, and then you will continue on with who ever your feel the need to pick off next. so who is it to be? the polish community? who? the indian community? black people? whats the differance?? you should be ashamed of yourself on every level to call your self british.

    • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

      Utter hogwash!

      1. It was not the travellers who suffered during the Potato Famine. It was Irish Gaelic speaking farming communities who suffered. Furthermore, I didn’t know the Irish Travellers were gassed by Hitler…

      2. This is not about racism. It is about the simple fact of the law of this land. Law that you, I and everybody else must abide by. They are at Dale Farm ILLEGALLY.

      3. Why don’t you have a word with the residents of Crays Hill who have had to suffer their anti-social behaviour for ten years now?

      4. They most certainly do NOT pay rent nor taxes. Whatever gave you that idea? There is a Romany community there at Dale Farm that are there legally that DO pay rent and taxes but not these “Travellers”. Incidentally, there are non-Romany English Travellers too, you know.

      5. I am very proud to call myself British. I would not have spent six years in the British Army, fighting in the Gulf in 91 and Bosnia in 93 if I wasn’t. Like I said, this is NOT about racism.

      • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

        Still support the travellers? The read this from a former Basildon Taxi Driver…

        I CANNOT believe the support that Travellers are receiving today, including that of celebrities.

        Ask any taxi driver in Basildon why they will not go to Dale Farm and the answer is because they won’t get paid. Also, they will be attacked by their passengers.

        I’ve since retired and left the Dale Farm address and today live in France.

        I have picked up these passengers (as a taxi driver in the Basildon area) for a journey home after a night on the beer at Festival Leisure Park.

        Yes, I’ve been punched – several times – stabbed and had attempts at taking my cash for my night’s work stolen. Cab drivers do not go there.

        At another Traveller site in Wickford, I unwittingly picked up a couple of guys who were much bigger than me.

        I refused to drive in to the site.

        The meter read £11.40 but they paid me £10 and, as I drove away after dropping them off, they threw a brick through my rear (heated) rear window. Highly expensive.

        These Travellers think are are above the law. The police stand no chance.

        This eviction has been going on for over 10 years now. It’s about time they moved on.

    • veganpanda says:

      I totally understand your feelings on this, I’m a big supporter of the travellers on Dale farm (& elsewhere) and always have been. The haters on here should be disgusted with themselves, but they won’t be as they have no morals or compassion!

      See you on Saturday #solidarity

      • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

        Veganpanda, you are an utter clown!

        YOU and those you purport to support are the ones with no morals or compassion.

        When you know what you are talking about then come back and post then…

      • Pikey Hater wickford says:

        I,m gonna be there on saturday and I hate the pikey scumbags so bring it on and all those bloody halfwit wasters at camp constant (Knobs(

      • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

        http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16067172

        And you support this? Slavery I ask you!

      • Are you actually READING any of these “hate-filled” posts you thick moron? Or is “hate-filled” a euphemism for “truth filled”.

        The simple fact is this YOU CANNOT FACE THE TRUTH so you automatically label it as “hate” when in fact what you are reading is FACTS.

        GET USED to the fact that you are a scruffy, unwashed minority of nit-ridden idiots with no idea of what is happening in the Real World where the rest of us work and pay taxes to keep you and your ilk. You should be bowing in gratitude to those of us who work bloody hard so you can spout this nonsense all day.

        How come you have time to set up camp down at Dale Farm anyway? Yep… that’s right, benefit collecting scroungers… Then you will be in good company won’t you?

        I have never met such thick, stupid morons in my life. You have the IQ of a pickled walnut and the personality of a coffee table.

    • Kath Woodford says:

      Don’t be so daft! MY type don’t start with people like you and then move on to others. We start with people who don’t respect our most basic laws, sponge off us and spend all their time moaning and loafing about playing at being barrack room lawyers while imagining that they are the only people with rights. It’s got nothing to do with your ‘race’, (which as far as I can see is about the same as mine’, you silly person. And when we have asked you politely to stop what you are doing that is morally wrong and illegal, then we stop. Get over it!.

    • oh get over yourself.

      You are from “traveller” stock… Don’t you know the difference? These people don’t want to travel but they don’t want to live in the homes they were offered at MY expense AGAIN. You can’t have it all ways. You CHOOSE that lifestyle so you take full responsibility for it and abide by the laws like the rest of it. We can’t all have what we want in life. My friend is a ROMANY, whose family are now off the road and settled. But they pay taxes, abide by the law and do NOT alienate the rest of the community. Now call me a racist.

    • Ivan Burrows says:

      Absolute Bullshit

    • you hate racists? You must hate yourself then

  26. hogsowar says:

    The Irish travellers are no longer allowed to build camp sites in Southern Ireland. They come to the UK, buy agricultural land and then build their illegal camp sites. They then access Legal Aid to fight their case on Human Rights grounds. All costing the UK tax payer millions.

    • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

      Damn right.

      We were stupid enough to allow them in. Ask yourself WHY Dublin wanted them out. It wouldn’t be because they’re troublemakers now, would it?

    • Lana says:

      There is no such country as Southern Ireland… Are you moaning about the bankers costing the taxpayer BILLIONS? Didn’t think so. You’re just an ill-informed bigot.

      • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

        Err, Lana. I have moaned about the bankers costing us taxpayers billions actually. There is no way they should have been bailed out.

        But may I ask what the bankers have got to do with the rightful site clearance at Dale Farm?

      • oh dear Lana, your ignorance and lack of education is showing…. you lot really are a bunch of ill informed scruffs. Do yourselves a favour and go and save the whale or something.

        Oh and for your info, I am ALWAYS moaning about the bankers costing me millions. I do not discriminate, I moan about scroungers from all different backgrounds, be they white, black, English, Irish, Welsh, whatever.

        Get over yourself.

  27. For the MORONS who think this is about moving former travellers IT IS NOT and the snobs who think they can look down at the peasants are why England is as rotten and bigoted as it has ever been. There are thousands of innocent families right across the UK losing their homes and estates en masse because of freemason tyranny.The illegality is NOTHING of the kind as it is judges NOT JURIES that continually claim to have jurisdiction over EVICTING anyone they are eyeing up to be their next victims. Masons embedded in the council, government , judiciary and legal mafia are using every vile trick in the book to smash up the homes and families of those caught in their crossfire.

    Land and property theft across the UK is rampant with millions of families , much like the highland clearances , being thrown onto the streets.Those who use this forum to abuse anyone facing eviction should be aware they themselves are only one step behind being made homeless thanks to the mobsters that have taken charge of our courts for their own enrichment. The very judges that have charged themselves with the powers over land and property have NO JURISDICTION over those decisions but would have the SHEEPLE believe they do. Under Magna Carta only a jury and jury alone have those powers to remove families from their home. The REAL scum are the vile and bigoted anonymous who instead of supporting those prepared to stand up and fight the thugs and bullies support the thugs and bullies and is reminiscent of the middle ages when the same scum would come to public hangings as a baying mob getting pleasure from the Royalist crown henchmen killing with impunity.
    You should hang your heads in shame and shows a psychological hatred of those least able to defend themselves against the utter scum and dregs of the earth who face losing the roof over their head.

    • veganpanda says:

      Thanks for your fantastic comment, everything you’ve said was SPOT ON!

      It upsets me how many bigoted people are on here, those people who seem to gather where others are going through hell just to ‘stick the knife in’ & make them feel even worse… it’s sick!!

      • Stephen says:

        Well said, some of the comnments on here are discraceful. But I put all the activists who are currently ‘advising’ the travellers in the same category. These are people with no knowledge or real interest in the travellers but just people who think there is a cause they can get involved with. Now they are even stopping some of the travellers who want to leave! That is equally as sick!

        Stop giving them false help and help them leave peacefully.

      • veganpanda says:

        @Stephen
        “Now they are even stopping some of the travellers who want to leave! That is equally as sick!”
        Why do you think people are being stopped from leaving? Those travellers don’t just live in their homes, they also live in their very important community! Why would they CHOOSE to leave?!

      • William Stammers says:

        Veganpanda

        Travellers would have the respect of the community, if they acted the way their Romany counterparts do, Romanies respect the law, respect the countryside, and respect other human beings.

        I’ll give you an example, we lived opposite a fabulous country park, a Romany caravan turned up one day, a very pleasant young man came across to our cottage and asked if he could have some water for himself and his horse, he stayed for about a week, was no trouble, all that was left when he left was a burnt patch where he had a campfire. About a year later about 10 caravans arrived all travellers, to cut a long story short, they had to be evicted of course, we had to stop letting our dogs off the lead on walks in the park because the travellers were devacating in the bushes. When they were finally evicted, it cost the local council 20,000.00 of taxpayers money to clean up the site after them. They all had TV’s how many had licences do you think?? They all had really nice caravans and vehicles, how many paid income tax do you think?? The UK is a democratic country, part of the EEC, our laws are fair, unfortunately the few make it sometimes intolerable for the many. The London riots are a prime example….

    • less loonie leftie says:

      Yes of course, it’s a masonic plot. I don’t know why this wasn’t obvious before.

    • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

      What utter rubbish!

      Under Planning Law, it is ILLEGAL to camp on Green Belt land, which Dale Farm is and has been since 1982. This has nothing to do with judges, juries or whatever. Law is made by Acts of Parliament.

      We are NOT bulles, thugs or Neo-Nazis. We are decent, law-abiding, hard-working people who have had enough of pandering to the likes of the Dale Farm “Travellers”. The bailiffs are NOT thugs and bullies. They are there to enforce the law and the Police will be there to keep order.

      That simple enough for you?

    • Steph says:

      Woah! My brother is a past Master Mason, as is my Father and his Father before him and so on.

      Don’t be racist towards Masons!!

    • hahahahaha… are you for real? Unable to defend themselves? They have held an entire community to ransom for ten years. I was one of them. I know more about it than you do as you are obviously an ill informed self hating bigot. Like all these other nutters on this page you have DONE NO BALANCED RESEARCH WHATSOEVER – you have not asked the local residents, you have not looked at the whole picture and events of past ten years, just jumped on the bandwagon at the 11th hour, Just shut up before you embarrass yourself further you leftie loon

    • What a pile of absolute garbage. You really do need to plug your head into the National Grid but I fear it wouldn’t even move a hair on your head, you thick moron. TRY JUSTIFYING THE KEEPING OF SLAVES ON TRAVELLER SITES IF YOU WANT A REAL “HUMAN RIGHTS” ISSUE TO GET STUCK INTO.

      Honestly, do you really believe this drivel you spout?

  28. Good luck for the “DALE FARM CALL OUT”.

    • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

      Well, if you want to be arrested by the Police and charged with obstruction or be on the end of a good hiding, then that is up to you…

      These so-called “travellers” couldn’t give a monkey’s about you do-gooders. They are leading you up the garden path…. When it kicks off, and it will knowing this shower, you will be right in the middle of it. Ever thought of that?

      • high 4. says:

        I cant agree more with all the comments Michelle has made on this site. For once somene is saying it like it is!!! well done Michelle.

    • Newberry, are you offering land next to your own property for these people to live on? Put your money where your mouth is then.. let’s see what YOU are prepared to do for them apart from living like a scruff off taxpayers’ money while you act as self appointed moral guardian at my expense.

  29. less loonie leftie says:

    All this stuff about ethnic cleansing and fascism is bilious nonsense. Those travellers who have illegally developed the land have had plenty of time during the legal process to make alternative arrangements but instead they are stubbornly trying to hold the local authority and local residents to ransom. You people are complete mugs for being taken in by them. Please, get real. If you must go there at least ask them to leave peacefully. That is what is best for everyone.

  30. Dylan Dougal says:

    This eviction is a total disgrace, the Council has spent 18 Million or it will cost in the excess of 18 million to get these people evicted, how many homes could they have built for that amount of money, they are just Nazi SC_M. Does this right wing Nazi Country not have enough problems at the moment with Bankrupt Banks, roads full of potholes and disintegrating, massive unemployment, a severe recession, our Police have been proven to be corrupt as seen in the Metropolitan Police, and now the Corrupt Welsh Police, we are spending billions of pounds on murdering civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya, millions of British People are struggling to pay high energy costs, millions of people cannot find employment, millions of Pensioners and Disabled People are living in poverty, and the Council is evicting people that have a home, will be making them homeless and destroying the homes that they have at the moment, this is how a Nazi State behaves, the next thing that will happen is that the Local Authority will start shooting and murdering people that refuse to lye down and and take all this BULLSHIT from them, I wish all this on Dale Farm the best of luck in your fight against the Nazi Scum in your area, and fight them to the bitter end, make sure you go down fighting.

    • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

      Dylan,

      Believe this or not, I actually agree with you on the subject of bankrupt banks etc but on this issue you are totally wrong.

      We are NOT neo-Nazis. Neither are Basildon Council. This lot have set up an illegal camp on Green Belt land. They should not have been there in the first place. Tell me, do you live at Crays Hill? Why don’t you go and ask the residents there about what has gone on or is your argument so one-sided?

    • For Nazi scum look in the mirror sweetheart.

    • The only bit of what you said I agree with is about pensioners in poverty. How about then, supporting pensioners in poverty, people who fought a war so you could have freedom of speech to spout this crap. You’d be better supporting them instead of this bunch of benefit scroungers who are living off the rest of us. I work bloody hard while they go to tanning salons and sport designer gear that I cannot afford.

      Get real you thick peasant.

    • Ivan Burrows says:

      Dylan, PLease don’t use the word Nazi without first doing a bit of reserch. It is so insulting to those of us who what Nazi realy means
      Thank you
      Auschwitz 13627…Polital prisoner

  31. Dale Preston says:

    You need to get hold of the PR agenda and be taking the lead with one to two really crisp messages that resonate with the public. Is Ethnic Cleansing really a good phrase to use?

    • Mrs Evie Hodgson says:

      No. Backfired big time.

    • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

      It is not “ethnic cleansing”. When I was in the Army, I served in Bosnia in 93. Now what was going on there was “ethnic cleansing”.

      This is just an upholdance of the law of the land. Those travellers should have not been there in the first place. Yes, they may own the land – they got it for a knockdown price as it is Green Belt – but that does NOT give them the right to set up home there.

      • Julia says:

        Scrapyard = BROWN FIELD
        All this talk of greenbelt and planning makes it nice and comfortable and easy to pretend that it’s not real PEOPLE, families that are being turfed off land that they own and homes that they own WITH NOWHERE ELSE TO legally go.

      • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

        Julia,

        Prepare yourself for a few facts:

        1. That land has been Green Belt since 1982. It is not, and never has been, a scrapyard. That would be illegal.

        2. Just because they own the land does NOT mean to say they can build on it or do what they like with it. There is such a thing in this country as Planning Law. Anyone who wishes to build on land they own must ABIDE by that. And that includes these so-called “travellers”.

        3. They have got other places to go. Ireland, Spain, Wolverhampton – all places where they allegedly own property.

        4. And I suppose you think the residents of Crays Hill are not real people either? Again another one-sided argument. If they want to be treated with respect then they show respect to others. Do real people issue death threats? Leave human and animal faeces lying about? Burnt-out vehicles? Threaten to blow up gas canisters? Use the local school as a babysitting area? Stockpile rocks to be thrown at bailiffs and Police going about their lawful duty and clearing that site?

        I rest my case.

  32. Unsettling says:

    I see the trolls have slithered out one-and-all from beneath their stones tonight.

    They seek to stifle any debate by vomiting their bile all over it so that it becomes untouchable.

    • high 4. says:

      it makes me laugh that the supporters keep going on about how its a scrap yard! it isnt, and hasnt been for many years. It is also not a community,Dale Farm is a disgusting hole full of the dregs of low life that have ruined a village I have lived in for close to 40 years.

      • I am a former resident and ex governor of the local school. Unlike this unwashed rabble of tofu munchers, I actually SAW, AND HEARD for six years, what these people are really like when they HAVEN’T GOT TV CAMERAS FOLLOWING THEM AROUND. I tried to negotiate with them to no avail.

  33. Kirsty says:

    Why don’t you lot clear off & take your Pikeys with you. Ireland doesn’t want you so if you like European law so much take them there.

  34. Julie Brown says:

    These so called Travellers (??) have only themselves to blame for what is about to happen to them, they were offered accomadation, they were given plenty of time to leave, but no !! instead they DEMANDED £6 million to leave ?? I have no sympathy whatsoever for any you man, woman, or child. .since you all turned up at Dale farm you have been hell-bent on causing complete and utter misery for the people of Crays Hill. You have done nothing but lie to get the sympathy vote of Leftie scum like Vanessa Redgrave who comes out and spouts more lies for you. GET OUT AND STAY OUT !!

  35. Rumbull says:

    Your Travelers??? WELL HIT THE FECKIN ROAD!!!

  36. I think, Veganpanda or whatever you call yourself, you need to learn some respect and even more so, check your own spelling, punctuation and syntax before alluding to someone else’s educational level. You’re not exactly a bright spark yourself.

    Both Michelle-Louise and myself have had personal experience of the nasty side of these people. I do not intend, here, to go into detail because much of it is too horrible to repeat, suffice it to say that these people are not to be trusted and their misdemeanours since they came to our community have been well documented.

    You have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER of the full history of the Crays Hill issue. I on the other hand, have experienced it first hand, from the other side of the fence. I have seen the devastation they cause, witnessed their total lack of respect for those around the and their unwillingness to pay their way.

    Also, if they are so poor, how come they drive newly registered cars, sport designer clothes and can afford to do what many other families cannot, buy plots of land.

    I suggest you avail yourself of the following FACTS from a posting on the Basildon Recorder news page.

    That’s IF you can understand all the big words.

    Teddoodle1 says…
    11:14am Sun 4 Sep 11

    I realise that this might upset a few people, so some of you might want to pop out for the next five minutes.
    A good article that was posted on twitter today

    Vanessa Redgrave
    Vanessa Redgrave and the grey cardigan of concern made an appearance in Essex this week. No doubt she feels strongly about the site clearance of land owned by Irish travellers at Dale Farm, and I applaud anyone who shows the courage of their convictions, but she’s not being entirely honest with us and has, as a consequence, annoyed me sufficiently to blog about it. Ms Redgrave insists that the travellers have not broken any law. She is wrong, and if this is the limit of her understanding of law she would be very well advised to stick to acting, because this is the real world and to transpose her distorted view onto it would set a very dangerous precedent.
    The argument about Dale Farm has been rumbling on for a decade and is now so shrouded in melodramatic hogwash and human rights mumbo-jumbo that we need to get back to the core of the issue – planning law. Shorn of all the emotive issues being thrust into the headlines, let’s take a look at what has actually happened.
    The site at Dale Farm has had a lawful traveller community on it, established with planning permission, for more than twenty years. In 2001 Irish travellers bought a further section of land and moved on to it. They began erecting permanent structures. When the local planning authority, Basildon Borough Council, became aware of the development of the land it served enforcement notices. This was ten years ago. The travellers brought legal action in an attempt to have these repealed, but this failed. In 2003 the First Secretary of State dismissed the appeals, but gave the travellers a period of two years in which to comply with the notices. In 2005, and since the notices had not been complied with, the Council decided that direct action was warranted. This decision was originally found by the High Court to have been unlawful, but this was overturned by the Court of Appeal. The travellers sought the permission of the Court to appeal to the House of Lords, but this was refused in June 2009.
    A primary function of planning law is the protection of the wider community from the excesses of the individual.The right to own property is expressed in Article 17 of the Universal Declaration of HumanRights. Article 1 of Protocol 1 of the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms enshrines the right to peaceful enjoyment of one’s possessions. The much cited Article 8 of that Convention states that “Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.”
    In exercise of UK planning law any local authority is required to be compliant with this. However, Article 8 is qualified as follows: “There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.” This boils down to a local authority and the Courts having to take a broad view of any development and consider the rights of allresidents.
    There is a misconception held by some that if you own land you have the right to do with it what you will. Fine, we own our own house, we’ll build a four storey extension out the back and open a pig farm in the front garden. Wrong, on two counts. First is that we don’t have the money to do it and second because we would never get planning permission. Even if we did go ahead and do it the Council would either make us pull it all down or do it themselves and send us the bill. A primary function of planning law is the protection of the wider community from the excesses of the individual.
    unless there are “very special circumstances”Nowh
    ere in the UK is planning law more assiduously applied (and scrutinised) than in developments affecting the Green Belt. Within the Green Belt permission to carry out development is severely restricted and planning consent is only granted in a limited number of circumstances. These include:-
    certain agricultural and forestry related building and uses.
    outdoor sporting uses and essential ancillary facilities.
    minor works to existing residential properties.
    works of national interest or importance.
    In the main the majority of proposals for development will only be granted planning permission if they can justify that there are “very special circumstances” why permission should be granted.
    Clearly, the development at Dale Farm cannot meet any of the four criteria, but arguments were put forward that they should qualify under “very special circumstances”. These were considered in the proper manner by the Council and, more importantly, the competent Courts, and have all been dismissed.
    they must be regarded as the authors of their own misfortune and we should not feel sorry for themThe crucial point to note is that the land in question has not suddenly been designated as Green Belt. It has been so since 1982. It may very well have been a scrap yard, but this, too, was established without planning permission and a planning Inspector had long ago ruled that it could not be used for that purpose again. The travellers admit that they bought the land at a very reasonable price. There’s a very good reason for this, i.e. that there are severe restrictions on what you can do with it. One phone call to the Council planning office was all it would have taken to find this out, unless, of course, they already knew. In this respect, therefore, they must be regarded as the authors of their own misfortune and we should not feel sorry for them.
    Now, Vanessa, I hope you’re paying attention because this is the bit that shows that you were either ill-informed or, worse, deliberately telling porky-pies. At paragraph 7 of Basildon District Council v McCarthy & Ors EWCA Civ 13 (22 January 2009) it says:
    “For the claimants, Mr Luba QC accepts that the claimants have reached the end of the road in their attempts to regularise their position by obtaining planning permission or temporary planning permission. That has been considered on a plot by plot basis. The extreme difficulty involved in obtaining planning permission for caravan and trailer sites in the Green Belt is acknowledged. Mr Luba accepts that the claimants are on the land unlawfully and that, even if the appeal is dismissed, they will still be on land unlawfully. He accepts that the most recent planning decisions of the Secretary of State reflect the planning situation. He accepts that the council could lawfully evict each and every one of the claimants provided they lawfully and appropriately direct themselves.”
    They have had a decade in which to rectify the situation. They have had some eighteen months since the dismissal of their last serious legal challenge. (I discount the attempt this week to gain a High Court injunction. That was mere legal frippery.) The travellers themselves admit that they are breaking the law and we should not feel sorry for them on that score either.

    Grattan Puxon
    There has already been a great deal of emotive coverage of the plight of the travellers, and I suspect that this is just the first few drops of the deluge to come. Much of it is highly misleading. Their champion, Grattan Puxon, is rather good at grandstanding and a master of dissembling propaganda, even though his grasp of human rights law can be a bit shaky.
    Pardon me while we dispel a few myths.
    Firstly, this is not and never has been an eviction. It’s a site clearance. There’s a big difference. Eviction is defined as “action by a landlord that compels a tenant to leave the premises”. The travellers own the site, but, as discussed above, this does not give them the right to use it as they wish, to park caravans, to build, to cover it with concrete or tarmac or even to live there.
    All the language so far used has been in terms of this having been done to the travellers, but this is far from the truth. Nobody forced them to buy Green Belt land, nobody forced them to flout planning law by moving onto it and erecting permanent structures. They did so by choice and any good lawyer could have explained the risks. And if you take that risk you really shouldn’t bleat about it when the chickens come home to roost.
    One activist who has jumped on the bandwagon is reported as saying: “There is no way we are leaving them here to be attacked by the thugs who pass themselves off as bailiffs. Yes, we are preparing for battle and want here to be our fortress – What other option have these people been left with?” Well, they can leave peacefully. They have, after all, known for ten years that they shouldn’t be there. Police will be there to maintain order and if the bailiffs are allowed to do the job they are lawfully entitled to do there will be no need for any disorder. It is the travellers and their supporters who are talking the language of violence.
    Just because you want to think the world’s against you doesn’t necessarily make it true.A great deal has been made of the fact that 80 to 90% of planning applications made by travellers are rejected as opposed to only 20% of those made by the settled population. It is claimed that this is “racist” against the travellers. I have neither the time nor the energy to challenge the percentages, but I would definitely challenge the conclusion. If it were the case then the decisions would have been unlawful and could easily have been overturned by the Courts. (Sir Andrew Collins in his judgement FOR the travellers found that there was no direct discrimination (Para 47, EWHC 987 (Admin)).
    There are other possible explanations. It could be that the settled population may be more inclined to take legal advice or consult the local planning office before submitting an application. It could be that applications for development by the settled population are not on the same scale as Dale Farm. It could just as easily be that a high proportion of applications by travellers are destined to fail, like Dale Farm, because the use of the land is restricted. It could be all three, but when you’re waging a propaganda war it’s far easier to jump on the figures and claim prejudice. Clearly, applications from travellers DO succeed as is evidenced by the fact that part of Dale Farm is occupied lawfully. Just because you want to think the world’s against you doesn’t necessarily make it true.

    Access road to Dale Farm
    There can be no doubt that there is often opposition from the settled population to having travellers in their community. Some travellers can be very aggressive and intimidating. Some leave loads of rubbish behind them. I speak from personal experience and, like it or not, it’s a fact. (Some of the settled population display these traits as well, but police and local Councils seem more inclined to pursue enforcement action against those with a fixed address – a form of discrimination in itself!) The unlawfully resident travellers at Dale Farm would like you to believe that they are none of these things and that they have improved the site.

    Fly tipping
    They maintain that it’s not a tip. I beg to differ and the pictures speak for themselves. They are of the access road to the unlawful section of Dale Farm, but a pound to a pinch of **** says they didn’t bring Vanessa or the Bishops in that way.
    When the settled population see scenes like this it is easier to understand a reluctance to suffer it in your own back yard. (By the way – I’m not making this up. Go to Google Earth or Google Maps for co-ordinates 51° 35’ 44.86” N 0° 28’ 26.68” E and look at street view.)
    Then there is the tactic of making false comparisons. Candy Sheridan, who has been campaigning for Dale Farm since 2005, told me. “We hate the tiny threads of hope and the endless battles. All we want is an alternative site, but these people have nowhere to go. You wouldn’t see hundreds of people walking out of their housing estate with a few bin bags peacefully.” Well, no, you wouldn’t see it because the estate was built lawfully with planning permission. Has it never occurred to Candy, in the six years that she has been watching the campaign fail, that it might be a good idea to line up an alternative? Certainly, Grattan Puxon and Vanessa seem to think that there are, but they also insist that it’s the Council’s responsibility to provide them. Indeed, my understanding is that Basidlon Council has made numerous offers of alternatives to the travellers, but all have been rejected because they don’t match exactly what they’re demanding. Well, life’s tough and you don’t always get what you want!
    There’s always God. (I’m afraid that this one REALLY gets up my nose.) The travellers always want to present themselves as good God fearing folk. It’s a shame for them that their actions speak louder than their words. Has the local priest never pointed them to Romans 13:1-7. “Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.”
    In a famous passage about taxes, Jesus said, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” (Mark 12:13-17; the same passage appears, slightly modified, in Matthew 22:15-22 and Luke 20:20-26). This is interpreted by most people to mean that in secular matters follow the law of the land, but for spiritual matters follow the law of God. Nuff said about that.
    the Council admit that if the travellers are moved they are unlikely to leave the borough let alone the countyMore sinister is the claim that the clearance of Dale Farm is “ethnic cleansing”. The official United Nations definition of ethnic cleansing is “rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group.” This is Essex, for crap’s sake – there’s nothing homogenous up there. In any case, the Council admit that if the travellers are moved they are unlikely to leave the borough let alone the county. It’s a ridiculous argument from start to finish. But it is part of the propaganda war that will see mothers, who have for years colluded in the unlawful occupation, pleading for the education and future of their children while putting those same children in the centre of the site clearance. (If you don’t believe me got to Youtube and search for Gypsy eviction. You will find numerous examples of kids being involved and it will not have been the bailiffs who put them in harm’s way).
    And finally there’s the claim that the travellers are law-abiding. Pearl McCarthy, who lives at Dale Farm, has said “We’ll do everything by the law. We won’t do anything to break the law until they force us to break it.” (See video six minutes in.)

    Well, first off, the claim is spurious. If they were law abiding they wouldn’t have built in the first place. Nobody will force you to break any more laws, Pearl. That will be your choice. But it’s a rather curious logic, isn’t it? Use the law when it’s to your advantage, but discard it when it provides a decision that you don’t like? It seems the travellers want the rights of every citizen to the protection of law without exercising the concomitant responsibility to obey it.
    And this leads me to my final and most important point – if law be not enforced then it be no law at all.
    the law must be enforced and the site must be clearedIn Fred Zinnemann’s stunning 1966 film A Man for All Seasons Vanessa’s brother Corin played William Roper, a young lawyer. He has the following exchange with Thomas More:
    “William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
    Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
    William Roper: Yes, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!
    Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?”
    Yes, I’ve quoted that before, and with good cause, because law is what makes society work. In fact, in one form or another, it’s the only thing that does. Remove the law, or fail to enforce it, and you can kiss goodbye to everything that you hold dear.
    For that reason alone the law must be enforced and the site must be cleared.

    This was written by somebody obviously better educated than you, as I am myself. Do NOT seek to argue with me because I have lived SIX YEARS of hell with this situation.

    One more thing, you unwashed lefties continuously spout the word “racist”.. you throw it around at every conceivable opportunity because you haven’t the imagination to see beyond your own twisted left wing fascist ideals. You do realise Hitler was a left wing fascist like yourselves. I suggest you look up the definition of the word before further touting it.

    Oh and for the record, both myself and Michelle-Louise, ARE well educated. I have a background in journalism and am active in politics and NOT the BNP before you start ranting..not that I have to justify myself. Michelle-Louise is an ex servicewoman. I have held office as a councillor and school governor of Crays Hill school and saw the devastation first hand, that these people caused with their abuse of the school and its now poor status as the school that has the highest truancy rate in the country.

    My grandfather fought in two World Wars to preserve YOUR right to freedom of speech, which you are busy abusing with your curtain twitching, interfering attitude.

    I now work with dying people in an extremely physically and mentally demanding environment. My friends number people from across the cultural divide INCLUDING TWO ROMANY GYPSIES. (You DO realise these people are neither gypsies nor Romanies, nor are they “travellers” because they have no intention of travelling anywhere unless it suits. The REAL gypsies of Crays Hill have been pushed to the fringes and other householders have lost equity in their properties, hard worked for over decades. But you wouldn’t know about that because you are a bunch of benefit scroungers yourselves. You must be if you have time to carry on like this. You obviously don’t have jobs. The likes of myself and Michelle-Louise are paying YOUR way.

    The “travellers” have CHOSEN their lifestyle and indeed have rights but with rights come responsibilities. If I choose a certain lifestyle I would expect to finance it myself, not ponce off local taxpayers.

    Both Michelle-Louise and I have friends of all nationalities, heterosexual, transexual and gay. So we can hardly be labelled with any “ism”.

    You, on the other hand, have NOT taken a balanced view of this situation. You haveNOT listened to both sides of the story and therefore are guilty of DISCRIMINATION of the worst kind and RACISM too. Your attitude to the wider population is appalling and your intentions to cause further misery in the community of Crays Hill, to which you do NOT belong, is outrageous.

    Your little jaunt will result in nothing but causing more danger and risk to all concerned but you will go blindly on with your lost cause.

    The MAJority of decent people in this country can see through your leftwing fascist agenda and you yourselves, as UAF are viewed not as United Against Fascism.. how can you be? YOU are the fascists.

    For the real racists you need to take a long, hard look in the mirror at your own stupidity, ill placed loyalty, arrogance, bigotry and self hating racism.

    • Mrs Evie Hodgson says:

      Really enjoyed an excellent article. Thankyou. With the problems people face in the world today. their disgruntlement comes very very low on the sympathy agenda.

  37. hogsowar says:

    It’s not about Racism or Ethnic cleansing or any other Stupid Idea dug out of the Left-wing book of stupid.. It’s about a community asking for their community back it having been invaded by those who have no respect for that community or the Laws of this Land. The sooner the better this is resolved and the illegal occupants removed…

  38. The Tax Payer. says:

    Give it up.

  39. Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

    That drawing looks as if it has been done by a six-year old. Which is apt, given the mental age of those demonstrating against the travellers’ removal…

    Do you lot not get it? They are there ILLEGALLY. They have trashed the nearby village of Crays Hill causing untold misery to the villagers. Examples of this are: dog and human faeces scattered about, dead animals lying in the road, crime, truancy at the local school, death threats being made towards the villagers – for which they have NOT been prosecuted – burnt-out vehicles… Need I go0 on?

    And you support this lot? Shows how bloody thick you are.

    I’ll tell you what should be done with them. Herd them all onto an old rustbucket and sail it to somewhere like South Georgia or that island off the coast of Scotland which has regular outbreaks of anthrax and dump them there.

    Furthermore, this has sod all to do with the UN so they can keep the bloody noses out of this. Who do they think they are? Sticking their noses into the internal affairs of this country?

    • veganpanda says:

      Furthermore, this has sod all to do with the UN so they can keep the bloody noses out of this. Who do they think they are? Sticking their noses into the internal affairs of this country?

      Just shows how stupid you are, you don’t even know what the United Nations (UN) does. Stop being so racist and start becoming well read and compassionate (if you can read long words?!)

      Here’s a link for you to start with….
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/sep/02/dale-farm-travellers-eviction-solution

      • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

        Veganpanda (What a stupid name…) or whoever you are,

        I know FULL WELL what the UN does so you shut your idiotic mouth.

        It goes to show just how much of an imbecile you are that you accuse me of “racism”. This has nothing to do with race. This is a simple matter of Planning Law. English Planning Law. They are there illegally ie they have broken the law. Do you not get it? So what the hell has this to do with the UN? Compassionate? This lot don’t deserve compassion for what they’ve done to the villagers of Crays Hill…

        I wish to God I was still in the Army as we would have loved to have gone down there to Dale Farm and kicked some serious arse…

        And, for your information, I am far and away more well read than you will ever be so don’t ever come on here with your left-wing verbal diarrhoea.

      • Zoey says:

        I certainly hope my tax dollars did not contribute to your education. If they did I want a refund. You need a good arse kicking and you will get one in 6 days.Tick tock tick tock.

      • Zoey says:

        Michelle that was aimed at the vegan goofball btw

  40. you are a bunch of fascist leftwing loons. You know NOTHING and are just jumping on the bandwagon most likely to get your name in a newspaper somewhere. You have done NO RESEARCH WHATSOEVER into the effects of this site on locals. You are guilty of BIAS. You have steadfastly refused to hear both sides of the story and are now offering to help these people break the law even more. They HAVE got places to go despite what they say because some of us have been researching this for YEARS. I am a former resident and have dealt with the realities of this situation for donkey’s yeas. Most likely when you were still bringing up your gripe water. You are guilty of discrimination against the settled community and showing yourselves to be the unwashed racist jerkoffs you really are. YOU KNOW NOTHING so butt out.

    • admin says:

      I wonder why Dale farm gets so many locals driving up to the gate to say that they support the travelers then.

      • Michelle-Louise Lewis says:

        They’re not locals. The locals of Crays Hill want them out and have done for the last ten years.

        Once again, a distortation of the truth…

      • “admin”… because they know the TV cameras will be there and they want their 15 minutes of fame. Funny they’ve never turned up in the last ten years.

  41. Your days are numbered gypsy scum

    • veganpanda says:

      You racist scum Tommy Gypokiller, you’re obviously a bully who (according to your name) wants to kill the travellers… what, because they are different to you??!!! People like you are the reason there is the bullying & general racist targeting of people, you should be utterly ashamed of yourself!!

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